(Since I’ve antagonized the venture capital community with last week’s blog, I thought I would complete the picture and “out” entrepreneurs to begin this week. The hard part about writing this blog was narrowing down these lies to ten. Luckily, my partner, Bill Reichert, had already documented this list of the top ten lies of entrepreneurs.)
We get pitched dozens of times every year, and every pitch contains at least three or four of these lies. We provide them not because we believe we can increase the level of honesty of entrepreneurs as much as to help entrepreneurs come up with new lies. At least new lies indicate a modicum of creativity!
- “Our projections are conservative.” An entrepreneur’s projections are never conservative. If they were, they would be $0. I have never seen an entrepreneur achieve even her most conservative projections. Generally, an entrepreneur has no idea what sales will be, so she guesses: “Too little will make my deal uninteresting; too big, and I’ll look hallucinogenic.” The result is that everyone’s projections are $50 million in year four. As a rule of thumb, when I see a projection, I add one year to delivery time and multiply by .1.
- “(Big name research firm) says our market will be $50 billion in 2010.” Every entrepreneur has a few slides about how the market potential for his segment is tens of billions. It doesn’t matter if the product is bar mitzah planning software or 802.11 chip sets. Venture capitalists don’t believe this type of forecast because it’s the fifth one of this magnitude that they’ve heard that day. Entrepreneurs would do themselves a favor by simply removing any reference to market size estimates from consulting firms.
- “(Big name company) is going to sign our purchase order next week.” This is the “I heard I have to show traction at a conference” lie of entrepreneurs. The funny thing is that next week, the purchase order still isn’t signed. Nor the week after. The decision maker gets laid off, the CEO gets fired, there’s a natural disaster, whatever. The only way to play this card if AFTER the purchase order is signed because no investor whose money you’d want will fall for this one.
- “Key employees are set to join us as soon as we get funded.” More often than not when a venture capitalist calls these key employees who are VPs are Microsoft, Oracle, and Sun, he gets the following response, “Who said that? I recall meeting him at a Churchill Club meeting, but I certainly didn’t say I would leave my cush $250,000/year job at Adobe to join his startup.” If it’s true that key employees are ready to rock and roll, have them call the venture capitalist after the meeting and testify to this effect.
- “No one is doing what we’re doing.” This is a bummer of a lie because there are only two logical conclusions. First, no one else is doing this because there is no market for it. Second, the entrepreneur is so clueless that he can’t even use Google to figure out he has competition. Suffice it to say that the lack of a market and cluelessness is not conducive to securing an investment. As a rule of thumb, if you have a good idea, five companies are going the same thing. If you have a great idea, fifteen companies are doing the same thing.
- “No one can do what we’re doing.” If there’s anything worse than the lack of a market and cluelessness, it’s arrogance. No one else can do this until the first company does it, and ten others spring up in the next ninety days. Let’s see, no one else ran a sub four-minute mile after Roger Bannister. (It took only a month before John Landy did). The world is a big place. There are lots of smart people in it. Entrepreneurs are kidding themselves if they think they have any kind of monopoly on knowledge. And, sure as I’m a Macintosh user, on the same day that an entrepreneur tells this lie, the venture capitalist will have met with another company that’s doing the same thing.
- “Hurry because several other venture capital firms are interested.” The good news: There are maybe one hundred entrepreneurs in the world who can make this claim. The bad news: The fact that you are reading a blog about venture capital means you’re not one of them. As my mother used to say, “Never play Russian roulette with an Uzi.” For the absolute cream of the crop, there is competition for a deal, and an entrepreneur can scare other investors to make a decision. For the rest of us, don’t think one can create a sense of scarcity when it’s not true. Re-read the previous blog about the lies of venture capitalists, to learn how entrepreneurs are hearing “maybe” when venture capitalists are saying “no.”
- “Oracle is too big/dumb/slow to be a threat.” Larry Ellison has his own jet. He can keep the San Jose Airport open for his late night landings. His boat is so big that it can barely get under the Golden Gate Bridge. Meanwhile, entrepreneurs are flying on Southwest out of Oakland and stealing the free peanuts. There’s a reason why Larry is where he is, and entrepreneurs are where they are, and it’s not that he’s big, dumb, and slow. Competing with Oracle, Microsoft, and other large companies is a very difficult task. Entrepreneurs who utter this lie look at best naive. You think it’s bravado, but venture capitalists think it’s stupidity.
- “We have a proven management team.” Says who? Because the founder worked at Morgan Stanley for a summer? Or McKinsey for two years? Or he made sure that John Sculley’s Macintosh could power on? Truly “proven” in a venture capitalist’s eyes is founder of a company that returned billions to its investors. But if the entrepreneur were that proven, that he (a) probably wouldn’t have to ask for money; (b) wouldn’t be claiming that he’s proven. (Do you think Wayne Gretzky went around saying, “I am a good hockey player”?) A better strategy is for the entrepreneur to state that (a) she has relevant industry experience; (b) she is going to do whatever it takes to succeed; (c) she is going to surround herself with directors and advisors who are proven; and (d) she’ll step aside whenever it becomes necessary. This is good enough for a venture capitalist that believes in what the entrepreneur is doing.
- “Patents make our product defensible.” The optimal number of times to use the P word in a presentation is one. Just once, say, “We have filed patents for what we are doing.” Done. The second time you say it, venture capitalists begin to suspect that you are depending too much on patents for defensibility. The third time you say it, you are holding a sign above your head that says, “I am clueless.” Sure, you should patent what you’re doing–if for no other reason than to say it once in your presentation. But at the end of the patents are mostly good for impressing your parents. You won’t have the time or money to sue anyone with a pocket deep enough to be worth suing.
- “All we have to do is get 1% of the market.” (Here’s a bonus since I still have battery power.) This lie is the flip side of “the market will be $50 billion.” There are two problems with this lie. First, no venture capitalist is interested in a company that is looking to get 1% or so of a market. Frankly, we want our companies to face the wrath of the anti-trust division of the Department of Justice. Second, it’s also not that easy to get 1% of any market, so you look silly pretending that it is. Generally, it’s much better for entrepreneurs to show a realistic appreciation of the difficulty of building a successful company.
PS: here is an interesting commentary on this blog by Jason Fried.
Written at: Vallco Shopping Center, Cupertino, California
Guy! I thought you were a die-hard hockey fan, but you misspelled “Gretzky”!
lol
that’s pretty good
Good list. Alternative title: Things not to say when pitching a VC.
Guy
This is fabulous. I can think of many people who need to read this.
I am intrigued though .. why is every entrepreneur a “she” :)
hey, guy, filmloop doesn’t have an app for mac’s…what’s up w/ that ;-)
seriously, how about a post on how early stage businesses should deal with the convergence of the vc’s, private equity investors and angels. seems like thay are all seeking the same thing and that nobody has the appetite for true early investing risk. What is an early stage company to do, short of self funding and growing slower?
thanks. we caught your talk at inman connect and presented you ideas to our staff at http://www.uscondex.com. it was great food for thought.
all the best,
james haft
OK, I’m guilty of having gone to Sand Hill Road and been in a pitch where someone said VERBATIM “Oracle is too big/dumb/slow to be a threat”. Wish you’d have mentioned this one 5-1/2 years ago.
Lie #11: We don’t need a blog. Usually that’s accompanied by some talk of spending $100,000 on a booth at CES, a few million on Superbowl commercials, etc.
I love the list except for 5 and 6. Sometimes, not often admittedly, but sometimes, there aren’t more than one or two organizations doing what an entrepreneur is proposing to do. Recall the Human Genome Project: only 2 groups were doing it. Sure, afterwards, lots of groups can reproduce their results in a given time. But it still takes time, and one can make money in that time.
Hard problems create their own market, but there aren’t that many people who can solve them…or they wouldn’t be hard. So lack of a (measurable) market is not necessarily a sign of cluelessness.
Just a thought.
Re: No Mac version of FilmLoop…good things happen at Macworld Expo.
the problem is that so many of these lies/statements are based on the same fetishistic questions asked by vc(s) my favorite one is the vc (usually the 2001 HBS graduate) “what stops someone else from doing what you are doing.” the feeling i get is somewhere between an ice cream headache and one of comedian Lewis Black’s anxiety seizures – “what are you an f@#*ing idiot?!?
the other VC 101 question i love is – “is everyone working long hours?” once, just once, i would love someone to ask, “is everyone productive.”
maybe part of the powerpoint deck should include the word “luck – gobs of dumb luck”
I love the list except for 5 and 6. Sometimes, not often admittedly, but sometimes, there aren’t more than one or two organizations doing what an entrepreneur is proposing to do. Recall the Human Genome Project: only 2 groups were doing it. Sure, afterwards, lots of groups can reproduce their results in a given time. But it still takes time, and one can make money in that time.
Hard problems create their own market, but there aren’t that many people who can solve them…or they wouldn’t be hard. So lack of a (measurable) market is not necessarily a sign of cluelessness.
Just a thought.
Guy,
The question is, I guess, not what you would believe, but what someone would believe. In other words, do these strategies fail across the board or just with you?
As an extension to 5), I’d also say that even if you are the only one doing something, it won’t be long before someone else comes along and does what you are doing.
Manual Trackback…
Bar Mitzvah Planning Software For 802.11 Chip Sets & Competition For Capital
http://www.psynixis.com/blog/?p=90
Guy Kawaski’s latest post – The Top Ten Lies of Entrepreneurs (following up his top ten lies of VCs) – had me laughing out loud! OK, that’s partly because I misread his Lie No. 2…
Guy, good start on problems with both VCs and entrepreneurs.
I can relate both an entrepreneur and as an ex Gartner analyst…but as a thought leader in the tech world, ask yourself why the industry’s “seed corn” behaves the way you say it does?
Technology buyers ignore analyst market numbers, but every investor wants to see them in business plans. Gives them the warm, cuddly feeling there is chance the category will explode.
For emerging markets there are no Gartner Magic quadrants, so entrepreneurs genuinely do not know who their competitors are – or when they name other small firms, VCs go “who?”.
Larry has only 7& market (yes even after Peopoelsoft and Siebel) share of Yahoo Finance market cap when you look at enterprise software and services – his revs are 70% services so for fair comparison you have to add those also. So, as an entrepreneur why should I be intimidated by a 7& player?
I hope your nest post focuses on how to make the VC/entrepreneur dance simpler and quicker. You want entrepreneurs to focus on customers, not on their VCs. Right now way too much time is spent in the money raising game…
Keep annoying both sides!
Love it!
I recently created our pitch deck (w/o forecasts) and guess what my “advisors-with-lucite-tombstones” keep telling me? I need to add #1 & #2 to get investors excited!
I think I need new advisors…
On #5 and #6 (“No one is/can be doing what we’re doing”) – it reminds me of Satchel Paige, the great baseball pitcher: “Don’t look back; something might be gaining on you.” To businesses, I’d say, “Look around; others are certainly gaining on you.”
You’re right, the entrepreneur is under a lot of pressure to overplay their pitch with ’embellishments’.
The irony is that many of the most successful businesses WERE entering 50 billion dollar industries – it’s just that they couldn’t prove it at the time they were talking to the VCs.
I agree that we entrepreneurs tell lies but having made many presentations to potential investors, I often find they don’t really want to hear the truth.
Now admittedly, I’d apply this mostly to angel groups and often it’s the group’s screeners that say the inanest things. For instance, I recently presented a 2 year break-even period (and we all know that this is highly speculative and based on those optimistic scenarios but I based it on a much reduced sales forecast than our optimistic regular forecast) and the comment I got back was that two years was too long!
My goodness, aren’t we being a bit too literal here? I bet Amazon projected a short break-even period when they were raising money and everyone was still impressed when they made it after 7 years.
Investors get what they ask for if they keep up that kind of behavior – I just won’t go along with it. Who wants to partner with people who need to believe in lies to invest in your business?
Guy, There are a couple of good rants on VC out there, I think your take on them would be very interesting to your readers:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/VC.html
http://ycombinator.com/tredennick.html
…and, of course, any number of essays by Paul Graham.
My merger contribution… ;)
Top Lies of Corporate America
1. Our employees are our great asset. (Until we can replace them with cheaper ones, offshoring it is).
2. We reward loyalty (Ha! You are but an old liability, with retirement benefits. Must destroy now).
3. HR is your friend. (HR is your mortal enemy, career-killer sandtraps, always be wary).
4. Teamwork, Mutual Respect, Trust, Empowerment, Risk Taking, Sense of Urgency, Commitment, Customer Satisfaction and Continuous Improvement. (Those are but slogans. Don’t be so stupid as to actually honor our company values).
5. We are Family. Management and co-workers are your friends. (Just wait until a promotion is on the line, or a reorg happens).
6. Education and Skills are important. (The only skill that really matters is making your boss look good).
7. Our good financial performance. (Legal Fiction. Bad can be Good, Good can be bad. Bad is Good, Good is Bad, Bad is Good if said conditions are met. Good is Bad if said conditions are met. Never is Bad bad, nor Good good).
8. Honor our Company Mission Statement. (What you a fool? Every company has an hidden agenda, like the Company Values, it’s all Marketing).
9. Feedback is welcomed. Our HR Employee survey wants to know your honest opinion, so as to better improve conditions. (Only from select prior-appointed people, and then it has to follow the agreed upon strategy. To quote the Clash, “You have the right to free speech as long as you’re not dumb enough to actually try it”).
10. FMLA. Work and Family balance. Great place to work for single Mom’s. (Dare try it and you are gone. Doncha know it’s just marketing? You stupid or something?).
I can see how hearing the same pitch repeatedly can be aggravating – and I agree that entrepreneurs should not base their business success on solely on those arguments you mentioned… but aren’t market size, management team, etc. – a basic part of the business plan that investors ask for? How can an entrepreneur address those areas with it turning into a “lie” or is the answer just not to lead with those points in the actual VC pitch?
I would say that Nick Tredennick’s description/comments which are quite good – see link which is posted on this site. having raised private and public money i can attest to the schizoid aspects of the process. much of it is driven by ego and insecurity – a deadly cocktail. Always calls to mind the line from “Annie Hall”: “those who can’t do teach, and those who can’t teach, teach gym.” This is not to generalize – there are some true gems out there. Go and listen to someone like Vinod Khosla speak – you will notice a quiet wisdom – true humility. I guess he can afford to be since he’s worth eleventy billion dollars. You will know a good vc when you come away from the meeting having actually learned something new. that is rare. if you can get a termsheet from that vc then consider it. if it happens more than once then take it. the battery of vc questions often times resembles a cross between an indian call center and the short-legged chair that your boss uses to make you feel inferior. no answers, but keep shovelling!
btw the best gretzky quote (so relevant)
“I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has been.”
Read on a Blackberry at Valencia Town Center, Santa Clarita Southern California
Cool article!
Sarah Chung asks:
“How can an entrepreneur address those areas with it turning into a ‘lie’?”
That’s a fair point. Kawasaki claims Ellison didn’t get his plane by being slow; the truth is Ellison got his plane by doing Oracle at a time when the competition really was next to nothing. The entrenched powers — IBM, Xerox, et al — were so oblivious they weren’t even making a token effort.
See also Microsoft. Gates could have uttered so-called lies like “No one is doing what we’re doing” and “Our projections are conservative” and it would have been quite true.
The main thing to remember about VCs is this: Do the right thing, at the right time, and you don’t NEED THEM.
Gates never begged anybody for cash. If you find yourself doing it, ask yourself if there’s not some area in which your contributions would be so overwhelming, you could bypass begging completely.
Once you find it, that’s where you should be spending your time.
You forgot the one of the biggest lies – “This will be our last round of financing”.
Vallco…wow, that’s like a time capsule. Of course, New Park Mall in Newark CA is like a Kevin Smith movie come to life in the West =)
I have often wondered how a location like Vallco could be so dead. I’ve only been in 650/408 for a year, so I don’t know the full picture on commercial real estate, but is Valley Fair that much of a category killer?
And #8 made me laugh loud and long. People forget that 99.9% of the time, you should take Goliath and lay the points ;]
Are entrepreneurs that stupid or are they being led down some garden path by advisors who get paid each time the VCs door is opened?
the world rolls with all those lies speaking/listening every day, startups getting pitch, VCs getting money
I like the list. I wish I had thought of a few of those when trying to start my company.
I think sometimes though (like me) the entrepreneur might not know how to do it right. Perhaps he is rushing into the business because he thinks he has a great idea or something, full of naivete. It’s certainly not an excuse, but it might explain some of it.
Useful post that can be argued forever. Entrepreneur would not lie. He is just trying to meet criterias set by VC. May be, it would be worth re-consider the criterias and VCs put themselves into entrepreneur shoes. Don’t you think that entrepreneur is VC himself taking early stage risks, why would he or she lie then? He’s just saying what VC is looking to hear :)
I’m a Brazilian entrepeneur and I had the opportunity to talk to most of the Brazilians VC’s. Heard many of ten lies and probably said some of the ten too. Of course we improved our speech as long as we had been talking to one and other company, but we never use Gartner forecasts as it is. We read the forecasts and confront it with the reality we lived when visiting clients and partners.
But what I always say to my colleagues when they start complaining about the behavior of the capitalists, they don’t give me money, my idea is unique, I have the best product and nobody can do it better, is “if your business is so good, if you will make so much money so easy with just that small amount of money, why don’t you get the money from a bank and keep all the revenues to you? Because there are many risks and you prefer to risk other people’s money”. That’s what Vc’s do, they buy your risk for the price of future revenues, if you can get to it.
vc with a sense of humour and humility
http://www.ovp.com/industry_deals.html
i especially like the story about starbucks!
So, the VCs think startups are naive and full of BS, the startups think that the the VCs are arrogant and full of BS. Sounds like the only way not be associated with BS is not to play the game or change the rules
I am so guilty of every single item on the list. So do I qualify for some award having said every single one of them plus I’m a ‘SHE’?
Lesson learnt: We have no time to raise funds, we have to sales to do! Sell Sell Sell!
you forgot a BIG one: “we’re all ready to do this full time” – i’ve seen many entrepreneurs fail to sell the real key customer (read: their own families) and when confronted with ‘a lotta stock and a modest salary and crapol a benefits,’ many have bailed and pushed for either ridiculous salaries or guarantees of some kind…sad stuff.
the OTHER BIG LIE: ‘we’re already invested in this ourselves’ – a lot of times this means that they spent 8 bucks to register the domain at godaddy…rarely have i seen modern entrepreneurs really put it on the line, particularly during the first boom when they felt entitled to whatever their friends were getting…we need another cabletron, another one where the guys don’t even KNOW how big it’s gonna be or what they’re doing, and nearly go broke off and on while doing it…though exclude the part where you run for governor ;)
Fabulous. Mr. Fried’s comments, too. Who’s next?
very nice article/entry! i got here from http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=edg176.
Good stuff – enough to scare me off at this point and work my idea myself. Yes, I’m looking at lot’s o’ mac&Cheese dinners.
This is outrageously funny.
The problem, as usual, is with the system. An entrepreneur “knows” fixed set of criteria and shape of chart he has to match and then some more before he gets funding.
I think many items in the list are wrong. For example, If you invented cure for AIDS and can prove it beyond any doubt, you can be pretty safely say number-5 and number-6.
Likewise, you could patent the cure. Then you could say-10. Patents are basis for most big drug companies to recover their huge investments. Look at numerous lawsuits, patents collecting millions from Microsoft, HP, Google and RIM. US Supreme Court normally won’t pre-certify the Patent surviving for 20 years, therefore there is some risk that VCs supposed to assume, which VCs could asses when valuing the company.
As per-8, look at the statistics; what are the odds of next great invention coming from any one of them (i.e. BIG companies like Microsoft or Oracle)?
Buy the way; I am an entrepreneur working on one such invention for three years (full time). I am going to say, if I strongly believe that is true. I will be announcing my technologies in few weeks (as soon as my layer finish failing my latest patent).
This kind of arrogant prejudice comments from VCs turn me off years ago and decided to do it on myself with out any VC funding, so I don’t need your money any more.
Amuzing way to state the facts. As I have not only run a startup without the venture capitalist investments but am now in the process of trying to capture real market share and now persuing it, I can say that these lies are easy for someone to make if they don’t do their homework. It is imperitive to know what you are trying to accomplish and tell you investors exactly where you stand. I have found that I get a lot more respect from my investors when I simply open up and am honest with them. Good point with this article.
Well, I guess you are telling me to QUIT NOW!
Am I to believe that all the time, research, diligence, effort, experience, work, sacrifice, money, creative thought, analysis, sleepless nights, and pure passion my team and I have poured into our start-up venture are viewed by the venture community as merely hyperbole and inflated projections? I have never encountered such a concentration of arrogance.
Not every start-up is two guys in a garage with a dog, a Power Point deck and a set of projections.
Sure entrepreneurs exaggerate, but how else can one stand out from the extraordinarily crowded field of start-ups seeking funding. I am relatively new to the process of seeking venture funding, and YES we have stated some variation of a few of the claims considered LIES by Guy and the others.
BUT we can PROVE our claims and we can back them up with EVIDENCE!
As an entrepreneur, all I am looking for is a qualified audience for our pitch. It has been my experience that getting a QUALIFIED audience is the biggest hurdle.
You can tell us we are full of s**t (which I am certain will not be the case), after you have heard our pitch and done some due diligence.
If you do not believe our business proposition is viable after you have invested the time to hear our pitch, that is your prerogative. You have the money.
We only have the idea and the research to back it up.
Let’s face it. A pitch is exactly that a PITCH.
You know it and we know it.
Think of it as a commercial. Does a Gillete Sensor razor really work as advertised?
Can the Jeep that drives effortlessly through the Alaskan Tundra really do that?
What percentage of people REALLY found their soul-mate on eHarmony.com?
Do you think that I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter REALLY tastes like butter?
Come on guys, keep it in perspective.
What sales process is completely honest? Tell me?
IT IS YOUR JOB to separate the wheat from the chaff.
re 1: if you recognize that nobody has any clue about sales forecasts, what do you suggest? What kind of approach do you think works well?
You’ve got a dead ringer on #3 in fact this happened to me, though I wasn’t the one saying the deal was about to happen, I did get the pink slip…
“(Big name company) is going to sign our purchase order next week.” This is the “I heard I have to show traction at a conference” lie of entrepreneurs. The funny thing is that next week, the purchase order still isn’t signed. Nor the week after. The decision maker gets laid off, the CEO gets fired, there’s a natural disaster, whatever. The only way to play this card if AFTER the purchase order is signed because no investor whose money you’d want will fall for this one. ”
I think you’re pretty close to real on all of these! Thanks for the laugh!
I have four simple comments. Forget the Power Point slides; don’t go to VC’s; ask the potential investors their three most important issues; and respond with compassion and honesty.
Only the top quarter of VC’s do better than the S&P. On average they get 5000 business plans a year, maybe they invite in 200 or so for presentations, and they make maybe 4-6 investments. They spend the vast majority of all their time finding reasons to say “not interested”. When a great idea comes along, they just can’t see the value since they are brainwashed day in and day out to say “not interested”.
My last piece of advice, get to the money before it gets to the VC, it can be done and those people treat you allot better and more professionally than the VC’s.
Rich
It clearly shows why this Guy can never scores BIG and he is a mediocre arrogant MBA thinks he knows every thing. This explains why VCs could never fund cure for AIDS or any technological breakthrough. They will call you a Lier and say NO, as soon as some you say there is no one has cure for AIDs.
If it were not 1999, Google may never get funded. These guys are too lazy and incompetent to validate the proof. The Silicon Valley venture crowed never going to fund next great technological break through (e.g. a revolutionary user interface or a real artificial intelligence). They are too busy chasing some dotcom business models, and don’t even know such things are possible. Name one such funding is the past 20 years? Aren’t the VCs who invented the get rich quick dotcon schemes in the first place?
They hire even more incompetent consultants to evaluate the breakthrough technology. Even, if they are convinced that it works and technology is revolutionary, instead of appreciating the invention and try to help them, they would say Microsoft (or some big company) steels their technology and kills them. The patents are useless and give an example of how Microsoft crushed some small company, you never heard about (who owns some submarine patents). These guys are clueless about Patents. There are good genuine inventions (unique revolutionary breakthroughs that are easy to defend) and there are submarine patents (or incremental improvements in a crowded area that are hard to defend), but think know every thing by just reading an article in Mercury news.
Aren’t they supposed to assess and take such calculated risks, if somebody comes to them to bring the cure for AIDs or cancer? If they have a bit commonsense, we would have solutions for many problems, such as, power-crisis (e.g. cheep solar power) or artificial intelligence. The MBA bozos are too busy calling the real technologists Liers, instead knowing his passion for technology and lack of conning skills of an MBA.
My suggestion to technology inventors, do it yourself if you can. Only an MBA bozo, who speaks their lingo and con them would get funded. Most VC only like to see the big sure returns and then call you a Liar. If by chance, if your technology becomes successful, they will take all the credit.
“Only an MBA bozo, who speaks their lingo and con them would get funded. Most VC only like to see the big sure returns and then call you a Liar. If by chance, if your technology becomes successful, they will take all the credit.”
Thats so true! These lies maybe true to some extent, but they can’t be used to success.
Your 10 points make absolutely perfect sense. However, what the above fails to address is, why do people feel that they have to exagerate or downright lie to get invesments? Could it be that VC themselves have something to do with it? Could it be because VC dream of astronomical ROI that most startup simply won’t be able to give them, because startups thend to have average, not fantastic, sales figures?
Great writing, Guy. These lies are also perpetuated and retold to potential employees in hiring and to customers and partners when selling. Basically, most of these “lies” could be called (less pejoratively) “rhetorical techniques” used by businesses and individuals in varying stages of development (even well-established ones) to persaude others of the value of a new idea, product, strategy, etc.
Here’s a lie for you:
“Ship shoddy, but ship first”
aka
“Don’t worry, be crappy”
That’s consumer fraud, you charalatan loser.
laughed very loud when I read this, great piece of work, heard all these things myself from people…I was thinking that it was only me that thought this way !
Do a series on lies acquirers tell their target acquisition. They are very similar. From (unfortunate) experience, I know these:
— we don’t want to change a thing, we love you just the way you are [then buy our stock, not us]
— Our projections are conservative (of what our company will do once we are acquired) [they don’t include negative, which is what 2/3rds actually do, so they can’t be conservative]
— we have a big client ready to sign a PO once you’re on board [we know our business better than they do and we don’t know this client]
— with our capital and connections, you’ll be ten/hundred times your current size in 4/10 years [burn rates that no one has ever seen]
— You can’t grow on your own and no one else sees your potential [can’t grow? you love us like we are?]
— better hurry, we’ve got ten other targets we’re looking at and we have to move by the end of the month/quarter/year/period [unfortunately true and shows the motivation is acquisition, not value]
— we have a proven M&A management team [not identified yet but when they find out they’ll be glad to do this]
— all we need to do is help you get 1% of our (bigger than yours) market to make this a blockbuster [still don’t know the market]
— you’ve got ten times the upside for your career with a company our size [an aside, private wink, sucker-bait; never in writing]
You’d know many more.
It is easy to diss entrepreneurs for their unrealistic projections. But if projections are always exaggerated, why do investors insist on seeing them. You are forcing us to, in some cases, pay for market studies that we cannot afford, to prove that a market exists. It is also not fair to call them lies. Unrealistic, overly enthusiasic, perhaps. Lies? That’s not fair.
has ever given you credit for its success, although you claim to be one of the people responsible. Your subsequent record is mediocre at best. You really should not criticize entrepreneurs and reduce their enthusiasm to dishonesty.
top ten blogger lies
1. I don’t consider myself an A-Lister. No, but I turn up for speaking gigs at all the big conferences anyway. Uh-huh. 2. I don’t care about traffic. Of course I don’t. Even though I’m a freelance consultant, and…
Guy Kawasaki, addicted to Web Traffic
I’m sure that most of you know already that Guy Kawasaki has a new(er) blog. If you don’t know who Guy Kawasaki is then you should check out “The Art of The Start” or “Garage.com” or his Wikipedia entry. Anyway,…
Top 10 Lies of Entreprenuers
This was an interesting piece I saw while I was reading Top 10 Lies of Bloggers (which was what this post was originally going to be about, but don’t fret, because I’ll do both now). Now, I guess I’ve been a bit more on the “soliciting funding” side th…
Lie (or delusion) number 11 can be the undoing of a venture heading into the China market. The fallacy is to take the market size (which is huge) and then ‘forecast’ acheiving just 1% market share (making the underlying assumtion that hitting 1% is going to be acheivable), they then multiply by unit price and bingo you have a hockey stick.
This weak minded type of analysis totally overlooks the time, expense and difficulty of execution. Its all about the execution.
This might apply to a start up or can equally apply to ventures entering the China market with an established brand, product or service.
If end purchasers just dont want the product then you’ll never get even 1% of the market.
Some entrepreneurs get ‘blinded’ by the market sizing and jump over the vital steps of moving from concept/protoype to actual sales (or traction as our American friends like to call it).
Doing that in any market will kill you, especially China.
PrivateEquityChina.com
Top Ten Lies of Entreprenuers
Guy Kawasaki balances up his Top Ten Lies Lists with the top ten lies entrepreneurs make in presentations to VC’s (Guy cant be a numbers man though…last top ten list had 9 items, this one has 11.. or is that
As an old saying in the REAL world goes: “the game is sold NOT told” but in order to sell in this type of world we live in embellishment seems to be the rule of thumb…just have SOMETHING that can back it up.
#6 strikes me most because “there is NOTHING new under the sun”! That’s why I don’t waiste time trying to reinvent the wheel…neither did Bill Gates if you ever studied his beginning moves…and I’m sure all of us wouldn’t mind having the type of success he’s having.
I feel the need to repost this whole thing on my blog so my readers can peep this out…but I don’t know how Guy would feel about that. This stuff is a “trip”!
Eleven Lies
Guy Kawasaki posted eleven lies that entrepreneurs tell venture capitalists, although
Lessons in Fighting Hype
One of my purposes in writing is to deal with the hype that is endlessly being thrown the way of the business community out there. Anytime I find anything helpful I will throw it your way. a The major…
Lessons in Fighting Hype
One of my purposes in writing is to deal with the hype that is endlessly being thrown the way of the business community out there. Anytime I find anything helpful I will throw it your way. a The major…
Great post Guy. One of my concerns for years, in business and investing is the promises and hype that is made and promoted at the expense of the recipient.
It’s great to show some of the nonsense so people in different fields can remember that if something is too good to be true, it always is.
Top Ten Lies of Entrepreneurs
Bona tempora volvantur–by Guy Kawasaki: I get pitched dozens of times every year, and every pitch contains at least three or four of these lies. I provide them not because I believe I can increase the level of honesty of entrepreneurs as much as to he…
A Marketing Lesson on “American Inventor”
Have you seen the latest show on ABC called “American Inventor”? It’s a fun show featuring inventors who pitch products, most are crazy but some are very cool. I really enjoyed the 14 year old kid who invented a portable…
A Marketing Lesson on “American Inventor”
Have you seen the latest show on ABC called “American Inventor”? It’s a fun show featuring inventors who pitch products. Most ideas are crazy but some are very cool. I really enjoyed the 14 year old kid who invented a…
Top 10 lies of designer-entrepreneurs
Don’t anybody get their bloomers in a twist. This is my version of a post entitled Top 10 lies of Entrepreneurs by Jason over at Signals vs Noise, who is quoting Guy Kawasaki (formerly of Apple and author of How…
No one else is doing what we’re doing.
I landed here from sugarbank (of all places!). There is no real VC in adult because everything should be making money right out of the gate.
Most people don’t realize how difficult it must be to be a VC. What are the odds that any of the people that NEED your money can actually hit it big? If they were that good or proven – they certainly wouldn’t want to involve VC sharks.
I read one of your posts before about presentations, but this time you’ve made it to my bloglines sub.
Great post!
May be these are the reasons I never wrote a plan so far??!!
If I write the truth, VCs do not like it. If I write the possibilities they cannot believe it :-)
Just do it, Guys, and that’s entrepreneurship!!
Cheers,
Rajesh
http://www.samooha.com
Any recommendations to a person wanting to start manufacturing product; has a great job but is bogged down with paying back student loans?
I do alot of the research to the point where my social life is nil – there is lots of crap to filter through. Can anybody suggest the best place to find interested partners/sponsors for inventions and ideas?
I love Guy Kawasaki so much. Wow, the genius of our time. I’m going to start my own blog called, Guy Kawasaki – Living Legend. These nuggets of wisdom are priceless to all blog fanboys, and boy do we love posting links to them.
Top Ten Lies of Engineers
Of course, you could skip the whole VC idea itself, and build it all up from scratch! And then possibly go seek VC funding.
Top lies venture capitalists would like to hear from a start-up company
recent takeaways from talking with venture capitalists
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Guy Kawasaki Top 10 Conspiracy
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Be different
Ideas are a dime a dozen. Lets face it, no matter how great and
innovative you think your idea is there are lots of other people
thinking about and probably working on the same thing. Guy Kawasaki has a great rule of thumb for this…
A very useful article. But I would like to include a disclaimer to the beginning:
There are three groups of venture capitalists. For the first group don’t use any of these lies, for the second group use at least three lies, and for the third group use all eleven lies in your presentation.
the VC groups are explained below:
1) a savy VC in an established VC firm
2) a non partner VC employee at an established VC firm
3) small or VC wanna be firm executive
Let me tell you an ironic story, Guy. I’ve pitched countless venture presos for several companies over A,B,C and recap rounds. Every single time, when crafting the pitch, we sit in a room and make up lies number 1 and 2. You hit the nail on the head. But, c’mon… Why do we do this?
Recently, I’ve started my own company. We’re rolling along nicely, sales are starting to come in, technology is solid. We have no overhead. I start thinking about expansion capital; maybe I’ll test the waters with the venture guys. We’re niche focused and highly targeted. I’m coming in from a position of strength, I don’t need the cash. So I lay out my pitch. 10 slides. I describe the size of my market niche and the revenues we see we’ll be able to get. I am truthful, because frankly I don’t need to blow any smoke this time – I’m not really expecting anyone to give me cash right away, I’m really listening to the smart guys I can find.
So I take my preso to a VC pitch. The partner is insightful, questions are strong, I feel like this partner is sharper than the average bear. Great meeting. Exactly what I want to accomplish.
The feedback?
– “you know, we really need to see a couple billion dollar market before we invest. You need to demonstrate that to me.”
and
– “we need to see revenues that will enable IPO. Are your projections high enough?”
The firm? You guessed it. Garage.
This is an absolutely true story, the quotes are nearly verbatim. BTW – its exactly the same feedback from other vcs I’ve met with. That’s specific feedback and I work to improve my pitch. Ironic how the lies get pulled out by the audience.
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Ricky,
This isn’t necessarily ironic. First, I didn’t say that we don’t lie. :-) Second, you could have a perfectly great business that totally viable. it could still not be “VC fundable.” For example, a web design company could be humming along doing $25 million in fees, but is it a VC deal? Probably not.
Still, I hope it wasn’t me that told the lies. :-)
Thanks,
Guy
Don’t misunderstand me, Guy, these are *my lies*. What I think is funny is that the time I don’t construct the lies, I am explicitly asked for them. So no, no one in your firm lied. Just asked to be lied to.(and I’m not sayin’ who)
Furthermore, it was legit feedback! If I can’t even make up the market size, what good am I?
Now that I think of it, the genesis of most of the lies on the VC-lies list are probably because the entrepreneur wants to hear them…
Guy Kawasaki is on my Top Ten List
Guy Kawasaki started his blog on Dec 30, 2005, just in time to make some New Years Resolutions. One resolution was that hed lose some weight, hoping to drop from 200 to 180. Coincidentally, I was sitting at 198 at the same time, and did g…
Guy, your comments on entrepreneurs’ biggest lies are all fine and dandy, but, all this just tells us that you VCs only invest in your ‘buddies’. So, what good are you VCs anyway? Does it feed your ego?
Maybe you should pull your head out of the clouds and/or your butt and realize that people don’t need VCs.
Good luck on your next entrepreneurial venture — one of your closer friend’s, that is.
Top Ten des mensonges : Entrepreneurs
Je vous invite à faire un saut sur le blog de Guy Kawasaki. Vous y trouverez deux notes en particulier (les autres sont intéressantes également, mais ces deux-là sont énormes !) sur les Top Ten des mensonges des Entrepreneurs (en roadshow) et celui des…
“(Big name research firm) says our market will be $50 billion in 2010.” Every entrepreneur has a few slides about how the market potential for his segment is tens of billions. It doesn’t matter if the product is bar mitzah planning software or 802.11 chip sets. Venture capitalists don’t believe this type of forecast because it’s the fifth one of this magnitude that they’ve heard that day.
>> Typically, the number is from the opening page of an analyst’s web site and the entrepreneur isn’t a paying client.
Jim Forbes
written from my outside office on top omy little mountain in rural northern San Diego County.
“Too little will make my deal uninteresting; too big, and I’ll look hallucinogenic.”
You meant hallucinatory, right? Because being hallucinogenic could be really profitable… That’s a great way to make money, especially if all it takes is making too high a guess (too HIGH a guess? hee!)
Regarding #2, Guy, I can understand your point about people who dedicate an entire slide to “industry” data, for example, online advertising spend in the US is a $26B opportunity by 2010 according to Forrester, as if to imply that the start up will capture a significant percentage of it.
But as we create The Problem slide you recommend in your 10/20/30 entry, how should we substantiate any claim to a problem without this kind of market research?
>> Second, you could have a perfectly great business that totally viable. it could still not be “VC fundable.” For example, a web design company could be humming along doing $25 million in fees, but is it a VC deal? Probably not.
Guy,
The entrepreneurs and venture capitalists obviously don’t speak same language. As a starter that looks for money I just don’t understang: What is “VC fundable”? My projections are modest (one million in third year), but you’re talking here about 25 mil business that is not for VC. So, maybe the definiton of VC should be “a billionaire that lends to other billionaires”, or I’m getting something wrong?
Of course there are some lies from both sides, but after reading your article, getting money look to me like Mission: Impossible. So, is a “garage start” the only way?
So very true, how about adding in the product is 99% complete, just needs a little funding to finish it?
Richie Hecker
http://www.bootstrapper.com
I’m starting to learn that the reason entrapreneurs make those lies is because VC’s teach them to do it. It seems to be all part of an orchastrated dance.
Hey Guy,
All the lies of VCs and entrepreneurs make for very interesting and informative reading and so do many of the relevant comments.
However, what’s with the comment spam? This severely dilutes the value of the useful comments.
Can you not do something to keep this in check?
Dear Guy,
This is a great list for those of us who are venturing into the world of VCs for the first time. However, even a better list would be “top ten to-do’s” for entrepreneurs. For instance, you talk about the fact that if we have an good idea 5 firms are doing it, and if we have a great idea 15 other firms are doing it. The question then becomes what qualities do VCs look for in potential investments? Any top 10 lists for those?
best,
Cemis
The Top Ten Lies of Entrepreneurs
I get pitched dozens of times every year, and every pitch contains at least three or four of these lies. I provide them not because I believe I can increase the level of honesty of entrepreneurs as much as to help entrepreneurs come up with new lies. A…
Very entertaining!
Funny!!!
And great insight. I thought that I was the only one that didn’t believe the marketing types (some of us call it lying!!!- Imagine that.). Having grown up as a scientist I have a some respect for the truth. Finally someone that can let a group of people know that we are not impressed with the lies. Guy, thanks for making the lies funny.
From one of the first 60,000 to buy a Mac 128 in Dec. 1984. When can I get an iPhone and get rid of my Treo 650???
g
The Top Ten Lies ofEntrepreneurs
Guy Kawasaki has the full list here. For now here is a partial excerpt:
“Key employees are set to join us as soon as we get funded.” More often than not when a venture capitalist calls these key employees who are VPs are Microsoft, Oracle, and Su…
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Hi Guy,
“All we have to do is get 1% of the market.”
This is exactly what Steve Jobs said when he introduced the iPhone in Jan this year. It seems he is still a pure entrepreneur at heart who hasn’t given up on lying!
I wonder if you would read a comment on an year old. I really would appreciate if you could comment on this.
Boolshit. The author seems to be one of those people who think they know everythin and can advice to everyone just because in the past they made some money. Well, the author is wrong about many things.
VCs and other investors DO require potential huge markets, dream team for management, and all the other things that the author consider as lies.
Guy, minority of your claims are common knowledge and the rest are simply un-wise. You sound realy snob, try meditation. I hope for you that you don’t behave this way in real life.
Hi Guy,
It reminds me the joke of Snowhite and Pinochio. Snowhite sat on Pinochio’s nose and bagged “Lie to me Pinochio, Lie to me”.
Enjoy it, buddy.
A large Israeli news site took this blog entry, translated it, and posted it here:
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3374221,00.html
I hope you gave them permission.
Guy, Great list! – I’d add the one where they say they know that due diligence usually takes 6 months but they need to be the exception to the rule since they “really need the funds now”.
Dear Sir
I am an inventor and I have designed many products that would be of benefit to mankind and to the earth. I have one product on the world market. and you come out with such jibberish as you have put down. I think that you are talking out the top of your head. from what you have said it is obvious that you have never been clever enough to invent a new product and then by yourself try and get it on the sales market place. If yo have you would know about all the barriers that an inventor has to go through and all the tough regulations that his and every new invention has to go through just to get a patent.every step is against the inventor from start to finish. I have designed quite a nuumber of new products. some are most beneficial to the earth and combat global warming. help provide energy and power to the ordinary person and a number of other projects. You seem to be living on a different planet. if you think it’s easy try it yourself.
Sincerely
Kenneth Taylor (Lord Plug)
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First, I must say I love this big box to reply into. Most boxes are too small and cumbersome, so I feel very happy to leave a message, kudos for thinking of the viewer. Well, in reading your list. I would have to say I agree and get so tired of the BS. Additionally some of these new resumes that say things such as;
“Assisted in compiling a committee to establish a record breaking team which increased customer satisfaction by 44.8% in under three months”
Well, I just get so tired of the BS. “assisted” on making a committee? Oh please, why is this stuff on people’s resumes? Look, weakness is not a human trait, and this PC “new wave” resume writing is just a bunch of hokum. Why not just say, you were fired from your last job because you didn’t do jack?
So, the amount of embellishment out there is way over the top and I am happy to see Guy Kawasaki, simply stating it like it is. Oh sure your potential market is 100 Billion? That’s what they all say? And some of these proformas, give me a break, WTH are they thinking? “Have Calculator will Travel” to Jupiter? No doubt. Ha ha ha. This was a great post Guy, keep it up. Hammer em’ they deserve it.
Either you, the entrepreneur, are a winner or you are not. If you are you have previous wins in the future, if you are not faking it or using trickery or coloful brochures, big words and large pie in the sky numbers won’t cut it. It’s clearly about performance. Do you have what it takes or don’t you. Show me.
Too funny…Reminds me of 1999
Hilarious list – and so true. I particularly liked the one about – “nobody is doing what we do”. I spoke to someone with who’d bought a pretty average service business a few months ago, and she told me she had few competitors, and the ones she had were rubbish!
Why are some business owners so naive when it comes to competition? And why do some of them seem to think their only competition is businesses that offer the same products or services? Consumers who have money to spend will usually spend it on whatever they like.
Ok I am a ‘bit’ late joining this discussion but simply put : great article. It made me laugh. I think every management team should have these ‘misconceptions’ pinned on a wall with the picture of a monkey.
Guy
It was a pleasure dining with you and hearing your presentation the next day at BGSU. Could you please offer your thoughts on when a boot-strapping entrepreneur should entertain bringing in major investors. Is it based on missed opportunites, potential ramp-up for scalability, or other? Your thoughts?
Warm regards,
Dan Boos
President/Managing Principal
Gorillas & Gazelles LLC
http://www.gorillas-gazelles.com
The Top Ten Lies of Entrepreneurs
by: Guy Kawasaki Since Ive antagonized the venture capital community with last weeks blog, I thought I would complete the picture and out entrepreneurs to begin this week. The hard part about writing this blog was narrowing down…
I dont understand why dont people write such a lucrative blog like this one…great work dude
Now getting that Big Name Company onboard is always the cream on the cake but from our experience you just have to build up the business bit by bit from the bottom up. You need more than mates saying how smart you are and patting you on the back. Sales are king…..even just a sales record moving on the up does it for me. Now the big players generally take forever to sign off on a urgent project and only jump onboard when you gain critical mass. Sounds like many of these companies did not learn from the dot com days.
I also like the fact that in the blog it points out that these guys think just because they have some funding they will sign the big names…..very shallow thinking and not too strategic from a business point of view. Just finding the right guys here in Australia regardless of the massive money you can pay, and finding the right team players is like getting blood out of a stone.
I love the response no one is doing what we are doing…..if only…..I also would love to get a dollar for every time I hear that response, but it really just comes down to perceptions and the market will make that judgment at the end of the day. Further, where you have a big company competing for the same business as you then this may be true but these big players just set up a side project and this project could trump you in the end.
In regard to proven management teams…well you are as good as the current job and it is no good talking about your success in the past as this does not generate future revenue….and well patents are just great but sales revenue is better ………. Look!…. at the end of the day if you all have the passion and drive and ability to make it happen, you will be successful. Success breeds success! If you are in it for the short term and lack commitment then you will fail.
Reality check……….
USA Federal Government is licensing patents to R&D companies. USA Federal Government is waiting for your recommending some real “pocket deep” in your item 10.
So true, So true! I just finished a short stint with a start up and I swear they you hit it on all 10 points! If they had read this blog entry they may have gotten funding!
man dude thats true but many people fall for it
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